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on October 11 2017 18:29:09
They might not be getting slower over time, but your Iphone will surely grind to a halt after the nth mandatory IOS upgrade - as the last paragraph states. Apple is still forcing their users to buy new phones.
(and by mandatory I mean being asked ever so often if you wish to upgrade, while all your apps slowly stop functioning) |
on October 12 2017 10:02:00
No, as should be clear from the article, they took benchmakrs across three different OS's on the older phones, without noticeable decreases in performance. Some OS updates even improved performance on older phones.
What the last paragraph says, is that third-party app developers may abandon older iPhones, or may abandon their own apps. Not really fair to blame Apple for this, as Apple's continued support of older hardware has been exemplary. |
on October 12 2017 12:09:31
My point is that apple repeatedly notifies you about new IOS updates being available and if the user clicks OK and is on a very old phone, he will shortly thereafter be unable to use his phone for anything. It is all well and good that the older phones CPU and GPU are not deliberately throttled by the OS (which would be outrageous) but that does not mean that your old phone will be able to run the native Camera app of the new IOS as fast as the native camera app for the old IOS.
The article states "An update might add new features that use more resources or require more processing power. New apps developed for the latest models might not run as smoothly on older devices."
This very much applies to Apples own apps which are not part of this GPU/CPU test. Here's a link that illustrates what I'm talking about:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/ios-11-on-the-iphone-5s-slower-but-not-quite-slow/
I might be wrong on how Apple notifies its users these days, but I remember my own experience when upgrading my 4s to the newest IOS and have it slow down noticeably. |
on October 12 2017 12:14:24
https://imgur.com/9shAJKX |
on October 12 2017 13:14:34
When an old iPhone is updated to a new OS, it is not the exact same OS as the newer models get. Several features have been removed and some optimizations have been made, all for performance reasons. They're treading a fine line between supporting older hardware and introducing new features. In the end, you decide whether you want to update or not. You may see it as badgering, I see it as a service.
To say that Apple is forcing you to buy new phones, and that updates made the phones unusable for anything is, I assume, hyperbole, and I assume you made those remarks to make your point. That's fine. But we really do have to get used to the thought that electronics have a short half-life. There's price vs. features and performance, sure, but there's also compatibility and security concerns. You won't get much done these days with a fax machine, and if you connect your Windows XP machine to the net, you better not have any important stuff on it.
Btw, I still have my old iPhone 3G and iPhone 4, both updated to the latest version available to them, and they're still running fine. You come, I show you! |
on October 12 2017 13:16:10
And since I'm on a rant, I might as well continue:
I know that we're all getting to the age where we're cranky and set in our ways, and why do things have to change anyway, but if you're still running Windows 7, you (yes you!) really should upgrade to Windows 10. It really is better. I also think you should update your iOS, sure some things will be different, but mostly it will be for the better. The important thing is that it's better supported, more compatible, and more secure.
When 0-day vulnerabillities are exploited, they're usually targeted at high-profile or high-profitability targets. When the script kiddies get around to targeting the average Joe (i.e. you) the exploits are well-known and have been patched in an update long ago. But since you don't update, and can't be bothered to use 2-factor authentication, you're an easy target. |
on October 12 2017 13:20:17
Oh, and thanks, Norlander, for your, as usual, relevant, useful, and valuable input. Much appreciated! |
on October 12 2017 17:00:40
Yes, lets put in a few months of content :
I'll start off with saying, that I have nothing against Apple nor their phones in particular. Apple is probably more on my good side than bad. What is wrong with Apple, applies to almost all tech companies. And, I agree with much you're saying about updating. But allow me to grumpy-old-man a bit.
In my own personal experience, as a regular windows 10 user, I say it is crap and windows 7 is better. As a IT guy, I understand that windows 10 is an improvement in OS design compared to 7 (8 was a disaster, lets not get into that), but on the face of it, my regular computer experience benefits from none of it. To me windows 10 is pretty much the same as utorrent or skype - to name some programs I remember right now. Windows 7 does everyting I need as a normal user. The only difference I, as a regular user, notice in windows 10 is a slightly worse user interface (imho) and ads in my start menu. I cannot think of a single new feature that I use in windows 10 - maybe i'm just too much of a luddite. just like utorrent and skype, all updating has brought me, as a regular user, is advertisement.
You're right. New programs are better supported, more compatible and more secure. Yet I do not agree that electronics need to have this short half-life. I want to have it both ways:
I want a secure product that is well supported, compatible and secure 10 years after I bought it. If this cannot be achieved without updates, then update what needs to be updated - i.e. security flaws, hardware support etc. don't present me with a user interface containing ads.
The fact of the matter is, that often the end user either doesn't notice any change or is actually worse off, after an update. Maybe it is time to build more durable electronics that last more than a few years. Let the user decide when to update, and keep supporting your product 100% until you stop supporting it completely and you let the user know that.
I guess if I should sum it up, it is that software companies update the wrong things. They are trying to make a profit and see things a lot differently than the end user. If all software companies had my personal preferences as their top priority, I would update all the time. |
on October 13 2017 15:02:19
Win8 was a disaster, sure, but a lot of the issues were fixed/corrected in 8.1. Anyway, I wouldn't recommend 8.1, only 10.
It sounds like your only gripe with Win10 is the start menu? There must be a lot of ways to fix that... I use Classic Shell on my Win8 (work) machine. On my Win10 machine I don't use a replacement, because I hardly ever use the start menu. And what do you mean ads? I don't see any ads... Is it the Office download link? Can't you just right-click and unpin?
Win10 contains a lot of performance enhancements and removes a lot of legacy code. All things being equal, your machine should perform better with Win10. It certainly was the case for me. The most important thing, however, is that Win7 is not supported anymore.I was a big fan of Win7, but I really can't think of a single reason to stay on 7 and not upgrade to 10.
Now updates. I think we all agree that new features generally are a good thing, right? If Win3.1 for Workgroups was still available and secure, you wouldn't really want to use it, would you? So which features do you want? Should you get to pick and choose? What about security updates? Should you get to pick and choose those? I hope you can see the fragmentation and chaos that will arise from giving the user too much choice here. Also, imagine being the software supplier that has to support this. Absolute insanity.
I think the user should not have a choice when it comes to security updates. This is not a "my machine, my choice" issue. If your machine gets infected, it will likely be used to infect other peoples machines, etc. Also, you will blame the supplier when your own fuckup bites you in the ass.
I don't think the user should get to pick and choose features. Major versions, ok, but minor versions, nah. Too complicated, too difficult to maintain, and I can only imagine the poor guys in IT support that have to figure out how to help the idiot with his super-customized machine.
And I don't think the profit motive is a thing. Of course, a for-profit company is going to try to make a profit, but most companies actually try to do that by making a good product. Sure some companies are evil ad-companies that profit from showing you ads and selling your data (Google), but other companies have the safe-keeping your data in their best interest as well. Churning out new products and features is just the supply to quell the demand.
Oh, and why are products not more durable these days? Knowing what goes in the devices, I am actually amazed that they are as durable as they are! But the reason is quite simple. Remember when your dad bought a TV for the first time? It lasted for a decade or more. But it also cost a fortune. Nowadays consumers want a TV that is bigger than my first car but that is also cheap enough that it can be replaced in a couple years.
I had something more, but I forgot... oh well |
on October 13 2017 16:08:45
Seems to me you're having trouble seeing things from an end user perspective. Lets look at a single case: a person I know uses adobe acrobat reader solely for reading and printing pdf files. This has worked well enough in adobe acrobat reader for at least 5 years, yet during that time, this person has been asked to update at least a bizillion times and has obediently installed updates, which takes valuable time and distracts from other tasks. In return, the person has gotten nothing of any value - the product is not in any noticeable way better at reading or printing pdf files!.
So, from the users perspective, and putting all development reasons and other reasons that have nothing to do with this user aside., it is clear that had the user just used the old program, and never been distracted by update popups and the like, he would have been better off.
Better software is great, and I'm not going back to win 3.1. But there's a hell of a difference between going out and buying a new product, like win 95 and the bizillionth adobe acrobat update which fixes upside down text printing in hebrew |
on January 10 2018 16:46:38
LOL! Norlander  |
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